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HEALTH CARE PROTEST RALLY FORT WAYNE 8-17-09 9:00 AM

Posted by zeakster on August 13, 2009

Dear Friends of Prosperity,

The Patients First Hand’s off my Healthcare Bus Tour is coming to Fort Wayne! The tour has already visitedVirginia and North Carolina and you would not BELIEVE the energy and excitement at these rallies! Hundreds of people have come out to show their support for free-market health care solutions, morning, noon and night, and local news media have been all over it.

Now it’s our turn – let’s keep the momentum going! We are setting out across Indiana on a Patients First bus tour starting in Fort Wayne at 9:00 a.m. August 17th at the formerK’s Merchandise parking lot, 633 West Coliseum Blvd.

At each stop, we will have a press conference/rally before rolling onto the next city. Everyone will have an opportunity to sign our petition telling the government to keep their Hands off our Healthcare! Look at the list of cities below and see which bus tour stop you will attend!

Monday, August 17th

9:00 a.m. EST
Former Kay’s Merchandise Parking lot

663 W. Coliseum Blvd.

Ft. Wayne, IN 46808

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32 Responses to “HEALTH CARE PROTEST RALLY FORT WAYNE 8-17-09 9:00 AM”

  1. I guess the fact that our Health Care is already managed by Big Insurance companies eludes these ignorant people at these rally’s. My wife’s insurance refused to pay for a five night hospital stay because the symptoms she had prior to admission were in their opinion not serious enough or didn’t follow their guidelines. I guess blood clots in the lungs which are usually fatal if not caught or treated isn’t enough of a reason to cover the cost.

    Wake Up “Free Market Health Care” nutjobs

  2. zeakster said

    WOW

    who should wake up? the nut jobs that dont want the panel run government health care or the poliana dreamers who think government is the answer for all the worlds ills? i guess we know which category you fall under. how are those food stamps treating you buddy?

    • You are an ignorant fool

      • zeakster said

        your a dangerous idiot

      • This is good !! You are the perfect example to use for the lunatics showing up to these rally’s… Just terminally angry and lost.

      • zeakster said

        and your a perfect example of an ignorant liberal who has to lie to make a point. as for being happy im very happy and will be even happier when they kill this bill. and ohh yeah it will be liberals who kill it it not the mob

      • What the hell am I lying about? I’m no liberal just because I disagree with you. Your calling me a liar because I said I have a wife and I’m an Iraq War Veteran. I don’t really care if the bill fails, what bothers me the most is people like you who haven’t even read the damn bill.

  3. zeakster said

    ps

    nice talking points goebbels give those to you? did he give you the fake wife story as well?

  4. Fake wife story ?? You stupid bunch of fools. My wife is very real, I’m a Veteran and have probably given more to my country than most of you assholes.

  5. zeakster said

    WOW REALLY NICE TALKING POINTS

    as someone who really served perhaps you should leave that one out

    hey ask your friends to give you some more cliches to post such as…. you listen to rush all the time and you voted for gw as well

    get lost looser and come up with a better story line next time

    • I’m different than you, I don’t need “friends” to give me talking points. I definitely am not one of those uneducated dumb asses that run to a rally armed with false information gleaned from republican right wing chain e-mails. My “fake” wife also thinks you should learn to spell. If you are going to keep calling me names at least have the courtesy to spell “loser” right.

  6. Its pretty funny that my first reply to you had no trash talk about you personally. It was merely a statement. You were the one who came back with the nastiness and insinuation that my wife isn’t real and so on. If you have something intelligent to argue by all means bring it on.

  7. zeakster said

    no you use the insanely ignorant talking points of a president who cant keep his story or facts straight.

    educated huh acorn classes dont count here buddy

    your blood clot stricken wife would rather argue the spelling i understand that kind of argument say it dont spell it loooooser

  8. zeakster said

    “eludes these ignorant people”

    no thats not attacking personal

  9. They are my talking points of personal experience. Not a Political Party or its Politicians.

    • zeakster said

      a personal lie you mean…. funny how you decided topost after your god told you to get out and respond with his nonsense. by the way you gave no argument just an attack and a made up story about how your insuranse company told a hospital to kick out a person with clots in their lungs (yeah thats beleivable)

      go back to annonimty

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  11. zeakster said

    still waiting for any argument

    funny huh you come on here calling people ignorant assholes and you havent given any argument accept a lame personal lie

    ohh and a vague refernce on how you have given more for your country than any of us…where did that one go?

    go back to your whaky leftist blog we deal with reality here

  12. rightexposure said

    This is precisely what is wrong in this whole town-hall health care fracas. You come to the meetings loaded with lies, misinformation, and no interest whatsoever in learning the facts. You come armed with a handbook geared to nothing other than disruption. You name-call and belittle and engage in childish and ridiculous behaviors. You wave your signs and parrott the words of your handlers. Unfortunately, most of you don’t even realize you are being handled.

    This issue is magnanimous and one that deserves lots of attention and fact-finding regardless of which side of the Bill you are on. Anyone can disrupt – not everyone can learn.

  13. zeakster said

    ohh sweet mary and joseph

    another left wing nut job, get this straight i havent been to a meeting becuase fortunatly for us we didnt elect a tyranical loving non bill reading congressman. its so funny how you people come out of the woodwork after your mesiah puts out the call. id love to see this handbook you talk about maybe its better than the talking points from the 8 person pac you tried using. the only handeling i see is by thwe whitehouse acorn and seiu. seems you people are the only ones being arrested for violence out there.

    its also amasing how you people have selected memory or were you born in january? what the hell have your libby friends been doing for the last 8 years? the people in these town meetings seem like a church choir compared to the shananigans your side has pulled under the last president.

    your not fact finding your doing your minions job just like the drive bys the problem is no one is buying it and your scared. the time of throwing up names to your opponents and having them stick is gone the mob is tired of your tactics their tired of your promises their tired of your infintile arguments and their tired of paying for your lazy butts. you didnt think it would happen as all bullys beleive you think yuo can push and push and thevictim will continue to cower but in the end like all bullies the victim awakens and the bullies run away which is what you will do when this bill crash and burns.

    sit and read the bill and stop telling us we are wrong….the people that have actually looked at the bill and seen the lies and misinformation spewed by your side are fed up. blame yourselves you lit the fuse.

    ohh and by all means report me to the whitehouse thats what scared little children do

  14. zeakster said

    ohh and ps

    neither of you have made any arguments just the general statements of misrepresentation and lies
    no points to be made no facts given nothing just your mans talking points or should i say playbook

    unbeleivable

  15. rightexposure said

    First, let me commend you on making MY talking point. I HAVE read the Bill. But…didn’t you just say “…and stop telling us we are wrong?” You don’t want discussion – you want to shut everyone who disagrees with you up.

    Report you to the White House? You really are a paranoid individual, aren’t you?

    Let’s start with rationed health care – where in that Bill do you find language that says your health care would be rationed – and what would the criteria be?

  16. zeakster said

    show me a socialised health care system anywhere in the world that doesnt ration its healthcare show me one just one. that argument doesnt have to be in the bill its an outcome of the bill. perhaps we should listen to the great leader on the issue.

    By Hans Nichols

    April 29 (Bloomberg) — President Barack Obama said his grandmother’s hip-replacement surgery during the final weeks of her life made him wonder whether expensive procedures for the terminally ill reflect a “sustainable model” for health care.

    The president’s grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, had a hip replaced after she was diagnosed with cancer, Obama said in an interview with the New York Times magazine that was published today. Dunham, who lived in Honolulu, died at the age of 86 on Nov. 2, 2008, two days before her grandson’s election victory.

    “I don’t know how much that hip replacement cost,” Obama said in the interview. “I would have paid out of pocket for that hip replacement just because she’s my grandmother.”

    Obama said “you just get into some very difficult moral issues” when considering whether “to give my grandmother, or everybody else’s aging grandparents or parents, a hip replacement when they’re terminally ill.

    “That’s where I think you just get into some very difficult moral issues,” he said in the April 14 interview. “The chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health- care bill out here.”

    hmm that sounds like rationing from the man himself perhaps you people can install logan run like stadiums for the elderly and terminaly ill

    would you like me to find more quotes from his personal advisors? the problem with you is you dont look at the consequences you people never do. your polianish take on the world is leathal

    with a man like emanuel in the white house we all better be paranoid. you would be screaming bloody murder if gw did it hypocrisay is great isnt it.

    so move on to your next supposed lie and misrepresentation

  17. rightexposure said

    LOL! So…it’s not in the Bill. So…tell me precisely where this becomes Socialized medicine – where in this Bill is there anything that makes you believe that you would not have options? There is a public health care OPTION for those who CHOOSE to go that way. Also – Great Britain seems to be having a lot of success with their “socialized medicine.” Actually, they are taking issue with many of the things that you guys are saying – or haven’t you read the news today?

    Zeak – there’s a whole lot of bad information floating around out there and this is a really important issue. I’m not saying the Bill is perfect – it isn’t. It needs some work, for certain. But, calling each other names, trying to shout each other down, taking pot-shots at each other is really non-productive.

    There is NO rationing. There are NO death panels. There is NO faction of that Bill that indicates what might be “socialized” medicine. Obama is an American citizen. And…the sky isn’t falling.

  18. rightexposure said

    Oh yeah – and I’m not one of Obama’s goons – just a common, ordinary, everyday citizen searching for the truth.

  19. zeakster said

    Main Entry: so·cial·ism
    Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
    Function: noun
    Date: 1837
    1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

    its socialism dont argue that point

    your reffering to the times report where politicians in britain are defending there socialised healthcare………really were going to listen to gordon browns political party a party so out of touch with its people it almost ceased to be a party earlier this year. a party that owes its existance to britains welfare state a state that has 21,2% unemployemnt right now.

    Thousands of kidney cancer patients are likely to lose out on life-prolonging drugs.
    “The NHS rationing body, NICE, has confirmed a ban on three out of four new treatments.

    It has reversed its position on just one, Sutent, which will now be allowed for patients with advanced cancer. But campaigners who fought NICE’s original blanket ban said this was not enough. They said some patients with heart problems cannot tolerate Sutent.

    Kate Spall, head of the Pamela Northcott Fund campaign group, said the ruling meant that fewer than half of newly diagnosed patients would be eligible for therapy.”

    NICE what a name for a death panel

    looks like great britain rations health care please give me another to make your point lets hope they have a better name for their “death panel”

    youve not proven your point about rationing healthcare youve just glossed over the point because its not in the bill. consequences of your actions are more relevant than your actions alone, every country that has adopted this healthcare system rations healthcare its a fact you cant get around and to think somehow our system will be better and not ration healthcare is just burying your head in the sand.

  20. rightexposure said

    And you haven’t proven anything. You object to the Bill based on things that don’t exist anywhere in the Bill. Keeping in mind that this “Bill” is not the finished product, let’s talk about the objections being raised by your cohorts. Let’s deal in specifics rather than character assassinations and suppositions. We’ll start at the beginning with some of the objections raised by health-care reform opponents.

    PUBLISHED OBJECTION…

    Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Government will audit the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

    AS I READ IT…

    Page 22 of the Bill provides a means by which there can be government oversight on companies who self-insure. The information they will be looking at is already available to them.

    PUBLISHED OBJECTION…

    Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC Bill – YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!

    AS I READ IT…

    Page 29 Lines 4-16 does NOT ration health care. Where in the hell that came from, I hope to never know. What this does do is set maximums that individuals and families would have to pay for health insurance. It caps the cost! It deals with “cost-sharing” and is greatly needed as health insurance is expected to double in the next five years.

    PUBLISHED OBJECTION…

    Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC Bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get

    AS I READ IT…

    Page 30 Section 123 – the committee would set standards – not decide treatments offered to you. It’s about basic needs within a plan – whichever plan you opt for. There is nothing there that says they will determine treatments – that’s sheer paranoia.

    PUBLISHED OBJECTION…

    Pg 42 of HC Bill – The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice!

    AS I READ IT…

    Page 42 – Again, the committee is just about setting standards for minimum coverage. Nothing in there mandates a specific coverage. Paranoia.

    PUBLISHED OBJECTION…

    Pg 50 Section 152 in HC Bill – HC will be provided to ALL non-U.S. citizens, illegal or otherwise

    AS I READ IT…

    Page 50 – This is the one that absolutely cracks me up. It’s something that the radical right grabbed onto and twisted simply to attempt to outrage others. Here is what the Bill says:

    “Except as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related service.”

    This is usually the way productive discourse is engaged in…let’s see what you can do with it.

  21. zeakster said

    rationing….you honestly dont see the forest through the tree do you? everywhere this has been tried everywhere healthcare has been rationed you cannot point to one country that hasnt started to ration its resources. in fact the problem was becomming so dire in canada that there legal system has broken the monopoly of the government giving people the right to pay for their own care if they want.

    the committee would set standards – not decide treatments offered to you
    i already gave you an answer for this you choose not to read it i thought you were seaking truth looks like its just your version of truth your looking for

    are you serious about the illegal thing? you honestly beleive they will be denied this health plan if it goes through? have you seen the state of california? your liberal states wont even deny them voting and driving rights. funny how the president can include illegals in his uninsured numbers but for some reason you think he will exclude them from the coverage. you live in texas what do you do all day bury your head in the sand?

    productive discourse is when one side acknowledges the other side you keep parrotting the same things and refuse to look at what ive even given you. thats not a discussion. thats bullheadedness. the bill isnt the problem its your sides refusing to listen to an opposing side. well i guess thats no longer a problem obama has given up.

    from now on dont go on someone elses blog and start spouting crap you cant back up you havent read this blog. you were told to go out and disrupt and you have nice try

  22. zeakster said

    This is what the bill says, pages 284-288, SEC. 1151. REDUCING POTENTIALLY PREVENTABLE HOSPITAL READMISSIONS:

    ‘(ii) EXCLUSION OF CERTAIN READMISSIONS.—For purposes of clause (i), with respect to a hospital, excess readmissions shall not include readmissions for an applicable condition for which there are fewer than a minimum number (as determined by the Secretary) of discharges for such applicable condition for the applicable period and such hospital.

    and, under “Definitions”:

    ‘‘(A) APPLICABLE CONDITION.—The term ‘applicable condition’ means, subject to subparagraph (B), a condition or procedure selected by the Secretary . . .

    and:

    ‘‘(E) READMISSION.—The term ‘readmission’ means, in the case of an individual who is discharged from an applicable hospital, the admission of the individual to the same or another applicable hospital within a time period specified by the Secretary from the date of such discharge.

    and:

    ‘‘(6) LIMITATIONS ON REVIEW.—There shall be no administrative or judicial review under section 1869, section 1878, or otherwise of— . . .

    ‘‘(C) the measures of readmissions . . .

    thats the bill of course it just went down in flames so its a moot point

  23. ~~~~~~~~~~~ said

    Zeakster,

    The really funny thing is it’s being held on private property and counter protesters will be told they have to stand by the street. The event will be held far enough into the parking lot they won’t have any real effect for a counter protest.

    • zeakster said

      do you think thats a good or bad thing? anti bill protestors were told in new orleans that they couldnt counter protest even though it was on public sidewalks. i think they put it in this parking lot because our lefty mayor puts up road blocks to any demonstrations on public property (well unless your a lefty)i dont think the organizers had any plans to push out conter protestors around here they are few and far between.

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